So many data, so little time. One item on my lengthy “to-do” list is to try to process every Garcia interview. It’s finite, naturally enough, and thus in principle do-able. In practice, well, only so many hours.
Anyway, this one is a bunch of raw tape for Rolling Stone 20th, 1987 sometime. Some really good material. Jerry seems a little uncomfortable on camera and this is not his most fluent interview, but still the sheer charismatic intelligence just jumps off the screen. There are a few neat lines in here that I really like.
Raw notes follow.
A Conversation With Jerry
1987 Rolling Stone interview uncut
grandmother listened to Grand Ole Opry when he was a kid
mother liked Hawaiian music 1:42 father was a professional
musician surrounded by music all my life
musician surrounded by music all my life
The first record I remember was a record called
“Gee” by The Crows. see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvmGLV_GE0M
“Gee” by The Crows. see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvmGLV_GE0M
2:19 R&B black music
the first music I heard that I thought had an identity other
than R&B was Chuck Berry 3:05 when he came out with Maybelline … and that
guitar … the guitar was the thing that pulled me into those records first …
Chucks stuff was the first stuff that had that other added thing
than R&B was Chuck Berry 3:05 when he came out with Maybelline … and that
guitar … the guitar was the thing that pulled me into those records first …
Chucks stuff was the first stuff that had that other added thing
successful black record would be covered by lame white
Lil Richard Fats Domino
3:56 first started playing with my cousin Danny I had taken
piano lessons as a kid
piano lessons as a kid
electric guitar accordion story with a good big laugh 4:20
he’s the one that introduced the idea of improvising to me 5:23
he’s the one that introduced the idea of improvising to me 5:23
Beatles it was more the movies than the records their first
records were so sappy, I didn’t really like em that much, frankly. 6:59 but
when the first movie came out Hard Day’s Night had great flow, great style and
the thing of fun
records were so sappy, I didn’t really like em that much, frankly. 6:59 but
when the first movie came out Hard Day’s Night had great flow, great style and
the thing of fun
that’s what kicked the Beatles off on the west coast in
terms of the folk music coffeehouse post-Beatnik circuit
terms of the folk music coffeehouse post-Beatnik circuit
acoustic to electric 8:43 really the big thing was the
addition of drummers
addition of drummers
the folk scene continental already Cambridge NYC Denver
Chicago Berkeley SF Peninsula LA 10:26 interconnected university towns that was
where you worked
Chicago Berkeley SF Peninsula LA 10:26 interconnected university towns that was
where you worked
1142 the thing about the Haight-Ashbury was that the rent
was cheap 1205 economics pure and simple
was cheap 1205 economics pure and simple
1400 amazing contrast between traditional working class
musicians who could get ripped off by sharpies. GD were more educated than
that. [NB artifact of postwar America!]
musicians who could get ripped off by sharpies. GD were more educated than
that. [NB artifact of postwar America!]
1443 we were never climbers in that [showbiz success] sense.
We were already having fun doing what we were doing. We already knew that it
had almost no commercial potential, apart from the community we were in. more
good talk late 14 minute
We were already having fun doing what we were doing. We already knew that it
had almost no commercial potential, apart from the community we were in. more
good talk late 14 minute
1538 Acid Tests one of the truly democratic art forms to
appear in this century
appear in this century
it didn’t require that we be intelligible on any level
1650 the Acid Test experience gave us glimpses into the form
that follows chaos. If you throw everything out, and lose all rule and stop
trying to make anything happen, on any level, other stuff starts to happen.
that follows chaos. If you throw everything out, and lose all rule and stop
trying to make anything happen, on any level, other stuff starts to happen.
Bay Area I’ve always thought it was the greatest place there
is.
is.
18-19 some Warlocks talk
late 19 story about Family Dog shows Lesh lady what this
little séance needs is us
little séance needs is us
23 Sgt. Peppers
25 Bringing It All Back Home some moments of amazing poetic
beauty Baby Blue that was when his songs started speaking to what the freak on
the street was experiencing
beauty Baby Blue that was when his songs started speaking to what the freak on
the street was experiencing
27 Monterey we’d been hanging out with Hendrix before the
shows etc. I knew him from when he played with John Hammond so he wasn’t a
complete stranger
shows etc. I knew him from when he played with John Hammond so he wasn’t a
complete stranger
The way it was with the friends of ours who died during that
period of time, it was like most deaths, they were mostly just fuck-ups, they
weren’t suicides, or the culmination of a tragic existence. Janis was not that
sort of person. 3136 She was a loose drug user. Like any drug user, sometimes
you get more than what you think it’s gonna be, and you take it, and the next
thing you know, you’re dead. That could happen to anybody.
period of time, it was like most deaths, they were mostly just fuck-ups, they
weren’t suicides, or the culmination of a tragic existence. Janis was not that
sort of person. 3136 She was a loose drug user. Like any drug user, sometimes
you get more than what you think it’s gonna be, and you take it, and the next
thing you know, you’re dead. That could happen to anybody.
3249 rock and politics I never thought it was a good idea.
In the Bay Area at that time, there were two big philosophical pillars. There
was the SF approach, there was the Berkeley approach. The B approach awas the
politics, the endless argument, the pro-con dualism. The SF approach was
psychedelic in the largest possible sense which is that everything that happens
happens and that’s the way it is. It lacks the polemic …
In the Bay Area at that time, there were two big philosophical pillars. There
was the SF approach, there was the Berkeley approach. The B approach awas the
politics, the endless argument, the pro-con dualism. The SF approach was
psychedelic in the largest possible sense which is that everything that happens
happens and that’s the way it is. It lacks the polemic …
politics and music is taking something beautiful and putting
it in service of something evil 3524
it in service of something evil 3524
3830 I’ve always been a big fan of the classic Motown stuff
of the 60s and the Muscle Shoals, Memphis, Otis, black music has a way of going
in and out of bags …same as anything else
of the 60s and the Muscle Shoals, Memphis, Otis, black music has a way of going
in and out of bags …same as anything else
3922 the magic part of music, even today … 10% of special
shit
shit
41 it’s always nice for the kids to have music. Punk music
was music the kids could dig, and it was thoroughly obnoxious to adults.
was music the kids could dig, and it was thoroughly obnoxious to adults.
4150 If commitment counts, when you’re onstage, and whether
you’re bleeding over every note or whether you’re wounding yourself physically
or on whatever level [interesting look he gives], that’s real. It represents a
kind of commitment to music that I admire.
you’re bleeding over every note or whether you’re wounding yourself physically
or on whatever level [interesting look he gives], that’s real. It represents a
kind of commitment to music that I admire.
4237 Elvis’s death had a special kind of significance for
me. At the time, I was playing in a solo band of my own, and I was using Ronnie
Tutt, who was Elvis’s drummer. Elvis was about to go on tour, and I was having
to cancel all my recording plans because Ronnie was gonna be on tour. All of a
sudden, Elvis died and I got the drummer. So, in a way, it affected me very
specifically.
me. At the time, I was playing in a solo band of my own, and I was using Ronnie
Tutt, who was Elvis’s drummer. Elvis was about to go on tour, and I was having
to cancel all my recording plans because Ronnie was gonna be on tour. All of a
sudden, Elvis died and I got the drummer. So, in a way, it affected me very
specifically.
4320 more Elvis liked the rawness of Mystery Train and Sun
catalog … Elvis’s power as a performer was incredible. Great about Elvis’s
dream of having his show be orchestra, white gospel, black gospel, roc and
roll, etc. Garcia admired that.
catalog … Elvis’s power as a performer was incredible. Great about Elvis’s
dream of having his show be orchestra, white gospel, black gospel, roc and
roll, etc. Garcia admired that.
4503 Elvis was a victim of the Judy Garland syndrome. What
do you do when you’ve risen to absolute success. Where is there for you to go?
Las Vegas? Wow, some reward. Gee, that’s great: work as hard as you can, and
you get to go from Mississippi to Las Vegas. It’s wrong. He deserved something
better. But the music world doesn’t have the imagination to invent it for him,
and he wasn’t lucky enough to have come up with his own guidance system. He was
under the influence of other people who felt they knew what he could do and
what he couldn’t do and what the business could open for him. He had no
alternative. In some senses that’s the music business’s thing. It’s reductive
and unless you invent your own alternative for where you want to go, and how
you want to improve, and how you want to contain your own improvement, it
doesn’t happen for you. The music business says to you ‘Repeat your success, do
your formula thing, and live on that, or die from boredom, or get pathetic like
Elvis’. To me that’s unacceptable. In that sense, Elvis is a martyr to the thoughtlessness,
the mindlessness, of the music business. That’s how little it cares for the
performers, and how little it really cares about the music.
do you do when you’ve risen to absolute success. Where is there for you to go?
Las Vegas? Wow, some reward. Gee, that’s great: work as hard as you can, and
you get to go from Mississippi to Las Vegas. It’s wrong. He deserved something
better. But the music world doesn’t have the imagination to invent it for him,
and he wasn’t lucky enough to have come up with his own guidance system. He was
under the influence of other people who felt they knew what he could do and
what he couldn’t do and what the business could open for him. He had no
alternative. In some senses that’s the music business’s thing. It’s reductive
and unless you invent your own alternative for where you want to go, and how
you want to improve, and how you want to contain your own improvement, it
doesn’t happen for you. The music business says to you ‘Repeat your success, do
your formula thing, and live on that, or die from boredom, or get pathetic like
Elvis’. To me that’s unacceptable. In that sense, Elvis is a martyr to the thoughtlessness,
the mindlessness, of the music business. That’s how little it cares for the
performers, and how little it really cares about the music.
4840 We’ve been willing to sell out on some levels for a long
time, but nobody’s been buying!
time, but nobody’s been buying!
4945 selling out, advertising, etc. “The new fascism is
rock n roll.”
rock n roll.”
5415 For me, music is the thing that moves me forward in my
life.
life.
56 minute Lennon talk
57 talk about Janis
59 The music belongs to the people who buy the tickets. If
they want to take it home with ’em after the show’s over, they’re welcome to.
they want to take it home with ’em after the show’s over, they’re welcome to.
5945 the only thing that makes [rock n roll] happen is
commercial exploitation.
commercial exploitation.
6142 GD as institution: “By dint of having survived
this long” …
this long” …
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