Come back for Garcia Band. Come back, come back.

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I love these March ’78 interviews. 3/11/78 is my absolute favorite, all kinds of great stuff. This one has less going on, but still interesting to the likes of me.

Jerry Garcia Band Interview
WCMF-FM Studios
129 Leighton Avenue
Rochester, NY 14614
March 10, 1978 (Friday) afternoon
46 minute Alan Zimmerman FM cassette

(7 tracks, 46:25)
jg19780310d3t001. Reuben and Cherise (album version) [3:45]
jg19780310d3t002. talk (1,2,3) [3:39]
jg19780310d3t003. Rain [5:46]
jg19780310d3t004. talk (4,5,6,7) [15:55] %
jg19780310d3t005. Love in the Afternoon [3:58]
jg19780310d3t006. talk (8,9,10,11,12,13) [10:46]
jg19780310d3t007. Gomorrah [2:40]

! Band: Interview
! personnel: Jerry Garcia
! personnel: John Kahn
! personnel: Donna Jean Godchaux
! personnel: ?? (primary interviewer)

JGMF:

! Recording: symbols: % = recording discontinuity; / = clipped song; // = cut song; … = fade in/out; # = truncated timing; [ ] = recorded event time. The recorded event time immediately after the song or item name is an attempt at getting the “real” time of the event. So, a timing of [x:xx] right after a song title is an attempt to say how long the song really was, as represented on this recording.

! TJS: none.

! db: shnid 82210 (this fileset)

! map: https://goo.gl/maps/4fyWc14xjgm

! seealso: JGMF, “One of the Great Interviews of the Garciaverse,” http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2012/11/jg1978-03-11interview45minsfm-gefen.html.

! seealso: JGMF, “The Little Engine That Could,” https://jgmf.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-little-engine-that-could.html, for show listening notes. Spoiler: it didn’t slay me.

! R: Recordist: Alan Zimmerman; over-air FM broadcast (WCMF, 96.5 FM) >  cassette, unknown gear;

! R: Transfer and FLAC encoding by David Minches: Master played back on Nakamichi Dragon > Digital Audio Labs Card Deluxe soundcard > Adobe Audition > flac encoding > FLAC.

! historical: John Kahn sounds zonked.

! t02 (1) talk about having just been in Rochester with the GD a few months prior. JG: “Rochester keeps calling us back. ‘Come back for Garcia Band. Come back, come back.’”

! t02 (2) @ 1:14 Q How did Maria get involved with the tour?” JG: “Well, uhhhh … luck, I suppose. [Donna chuckles sweetly] Actually, what happened was that back when I did an album about 3 or 4 years ago and John produced it and he had Maria come in to do some vocal work on the record. Since then we’ve worked kind of informally. And John and Maria live together. [He swallows his words a little bit. Asks John, aside, “if that’s OK, if you don’t mind my mentioning that?” JK: “Oh, it’s quite all right.”] And so on this album she participated a lot, too, on the vocals and stuff and she’s also accompanied us on a few other tours. And it’s neat to have her singing with us. Donna and Maria sing really well together and they like working together. So, just, chemically it works out really nicely.” DJG: “We don’t fly together [?], you know.” JG: “And I like having all those pretty girls onstage.” [Kahn laughs.]

! t02 (3) DJ: we have a super advanced pressing of your latest album. We heard a test pressing just before we left CA 3 or 4 days ago. Record radio stations will be getting promo copies, in record stores soon.  @0250 “What kinds of musical directions are you trying to take on this record? There’s a touch of reggae in it–” JG: “Every direction. We don’t really have a style, except that it’s all us.” JK: “It sounds like us, is the direction. It’s trying to sound the most like us of anything we’ve done so far.” Song introduction “Rain”, written by Donna, orchestration and arrangement by John Kahn.

! t04: DJ (4) Young kids still into the Dead. What do you attribute that to? JG: we’ve been lucky in having a spotty record career. No real big hits. contra formulaic thing, slam-bang show. Exciting the first time. The theatrics. You realize you’re seeing the same thing, that gets to be dull. Audience doesn’t want to … DJ: so when you take the stage, do you have any songs in mind? JG we don’t know what we’re gonna do. We have a low boredom index. It would be horribly boring for us to do the same shows all the time. Constitutionally incapable of doing it. some times a dud, other times magical, miraculous. Exceptionally high concentration of coincidence. Musical coincidences are occurring way higher than the law of probability would allow them to be. Like magic. People come to that because there’s something genuine about it. A mysterious thing. Something that people require. Being encouraged by the audience. Audience is participating. This talk is vague between GD vs. JG. Jerry can’t identify great moments per se. completely out of our hands high energy environment … in this testing situation. people follow all around the country. Maybe they asked him not to mention GD?

! personnel: t04 @ 4:55 JK sounds totally wrecked

! t04 (5) @0846 working with Robert Hunter. JK sometimes Garcia will have pages of words and write music to that. Or sometimes we’ll write music that doesn’t have words and give that to him. So it goes different directions. JG: All kinds of fine tuning possibilities. I’ll have ideas that have vocal phrasing and sing the phrasings to him. We work very freely together.”

! t04 (6) domestic scenes. @0956 Do you live and work together. Too many of us to live together. @1030 JG Basically we all have our own scenes and families and so forth … or whatever. We’re all, live near each other, and we hang out an awful lot together, we spend more hours together than we do living anywhere else. @1055 DJG we’ll be playing at place called Keystone “Long time, no see.” We’ve chosen to work that way.

! t05 (7) Club Front @11:33 studio setup. @1139 JG This record is the first record from that studio. … This record is the first thing from that studio, which … was partly funded … partly built from the budget that I was allowed to make this record. It’s quite well equipped. It has a really nice Neve console, from England, and a really nice Studer machine, Swiss, and it’s an excellent sounding room. It’s a very large room and it really sounds very pretty. Has very pretty vocal sound, pretty instrumental sound. We’re really delighted with the results. We’re real happy.” #Club Front

! t04 (7) DJ ask John for song intro JK “Influenced by reggae music, which I love a whole lot. Reggae was the most significant thing that happened, for bass players, in ten years maybe.” More reggae talk JK: “We might have heard the best reggae records.” JG: “I don’t think there’s going to be some kind of explosion. It’s a local thing. It has a limited appeal. But from a musician’s standpoint it has some very interesting things that American music could use right now.” DJ: “Like what?” JG: “A rhythmic approach, a whole approach to rhythm that has to do with standing on the rhythm in a certain way. The easiest way I can relate to it is to figure about 93 degrees, with about a hundred percent humidity, in the middle of somewhere, just goin’ real slow, y’know? [he has a grin]. And it has a steadiness to it that comes from a kind of island life, like the surf, y’know … and the thing about the bass playing, that John was saying, the sense of the rhythmic … the holes, the spaces, having rhythmic value, in the same sense of that positive-negative image sense. So, the holes have the same kind of rhythmic values that the notes do, and that gives it a tremendous power, and a lovely kind of rhythmic thing.” JK: “as a bass player, a long time ago, especially r and b records, old motown records, the bassline was one of the most important elements, counterpoint to the vocal, and the drums. Music has gotten away from that now. … music directly related to the bassline has died out in America, and it’s an element of reggae music that appeals a lot to me.” #reggae

! t04 DJ started spinning Palm Sunday instead, accidentally.

! t06 (8) current music: Elvis Costello JG: “I like it.” likes some New Wave. Really like Cheap Trick. What I like about it is the spirit. They’re puttin’ out. They’re trying hard. The heavy duty production trick … the glib slickness so mechanical and predictable and safe. It’s a formula trip. Raw and real nasty, and the players are not very good, but the spirit … young people can always dig that. JK: I dig it. I’m not young anymore. 5-min mark talking about The Who

! t06 (9) @0645 solo project outside the GD. JG “It’s an illusion. The illusion is that these are solo projects, when they’re really not solo projects. Like what we do in this band, it’s no solo project. It’s really a group contribution, and believe me, it’s not a matter of my own personal activity. I am involved with people who care about music the same way that I do, we have an affinity for each other, we enjoy working together, and, for me, a group dynamic is way more interesting than the concept of a solo project. I’ve done one solo project, my first solo record, in which I was foolish enough to try to play everything on it myself and I was really bored with it, fundamentally, because you already know everything that happened, there’s no surprises. The thing of working with other people, that somebody’s gonna shed a new kind of light on an idea of yours … it gives you something to work with … there’s electricity, or chemistry, or something like that.” #solo vs GD

! t06 (10) @0746 DJ is it true that the banjo was your first instrument? @0747 JG: “Yeah, it was my first serious instrument. DJ: “And then you went to the guitar, and then the electric guitar, because it was more of an extension of–” JG: “Uhh, I’ve, well, for me, the banjo got to be so, uhhh … [long pause] [JK: “Swiss watch-like.” JG: “Right.] Like a Swiss watch. It was like a cuckoo clock or a Swiss watch. It got to be tremendously mechanical and I, finally just had a tremendous reaction to it, it’s like, ‘I really can’t make music with this instrument. I want something that moves the way a voice moves. I want to be able to play more expressively. … I just burned myself out on the banjo, really, is what it boils down to.” DJG: “It’s kind of a one-toned …” JG: “Yeah, it’s got one thing going for it.” DJ @0835: Do you ever think about going back doing something like the OAITW record? @0837 JG “For me, it was the music … [cross talk that John was also involved] And for me, the neat thing, my whole interest in the banjo even was really not so much the banjo itself, but bluegrass music as a style of music. And it’s the music that I cared about, rather than the banjo by itself. So it’s very hard for me to, say, sit at home and practice the banjo. If the music were there –in other words, if I were out playing with friends, a couple of nights a week– I could get into it. But really the music matters to me more than the banjo does.” JK: “Yeah, really, it’s a beautiful kind of music.” JG: “It is, it’s really neat music.” JK: “But, y’know, I couldn’t see practicing … either … uhhh … [JG, laughing: “No.” Some chuckling, as if the thought of practicing is hilarious.] DJG: “Jerry doesn’t think he plays the banjo or the steel guitar” JK: “We’re all crazy like that, that’s normal” (??). #banjo

! t06 (11) @0927 DJG: “He’s talking about his first record, my four year old listens to it three or four times a day.” JK: “I like that, too. … I remember going in there and watching him play bass on that.” JG: “Oh Jeez, that was embarassing.” JK: “No it wasn’t.”

! t06 DJ we should wrap things up, get them to soundcheck.

! t06 (12) DJG: “Singing with Maria’s great.” Stress the point that Maria is part of the band. JG: “Yeah.”

! t06 (13) JG introduces Gomorrah. JG: “This is an Old Testament song. Everybody knows about Sodom, but this song is about Gomorrah.”