The real dates of the “September 1, 1974” material

Jerry Garcia and Merl Saunders Band, Pure Jerry 4: Keystone, Berkeley, September 1, 1974 (Jerry Made JGCD0004, 2004).

We always knew that this was a hodgepodge of dates (there are several set/end-of-show announcements, in weird spots if we have a continuous show from 9/1/74). But what little evidence we have suggests that things are more hodge and podge than I suspected.

Disc 1;

  • Neighbor, Neighbor (Valier) [8/28/74]
  • Keepers (Saunders / Kahn) [9/1/74]
  • Sitting In Limbo (Bright / Chambers) [9/1/74]
  • Favela (Jobim) [9/1/74]
  • Tough Mama (Dylan) [9/1/74]
  • La-La (Fierro)[actually La-La -> People Make The World Go Round] [8/24/74, h/t nick]

Disc 2;

  • Someday Baby (Hopkins) [9/1/74]
  • Think (McCracklin / Robey) [9/1/74]
  • Roadrunner (Dozier / Holland / Dozier) [9/1/74]
  • The Harder They Come (Cliff) [9/1/74]
  • I Second That Emotion (Robinson / Cleveland) [8/28/74]
  • Going, Going, Gone (Dylan) [8/28/74]

Disc 3;

  • Soul Roach (Saunders / Shanklin) [8/28/74]
  • Mystery Train (Parker / Philips) [8/28/74]
  • Wondering Why (Carrier / Saunders) [8/28/74]
  • People Make the World Go Round (Bell / Epstein) [8/28/74]
  • Keystone Jam (Garcia & Saunders Band) [8/28/74]
  • It’s Too Late (Willis) [8/11/74] ->
  • The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down (Robertson) [8/11/74]

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13 responses to “The real dates of the “September 1, 1974” material”

  1. Nick Avatar

    The La-La>People Make the World Go Round at the end of the 1st disc (just listed on the cd as La-La) is from 8/24/74.

  2. Fate Music Avatar

    Of course it was you! Thanks!

  3. Fate Music Avatar

    I believe "It's Too Late" is from 8/11/74.

  4. Fate Music Avatar

    And Dixie Down as well – 8/11/74.

  5. Nick Avatar

    nitpick: Finders Keeper is misattributed on this released to Saunders/Kahn. It's a cover of a Chairmen of the Board song, written by Johnson/Bowen.

    http://deaddisc.com/songs/Finders_Keepers.htm

  6. raile Avatar

    This subject absolutely fascinates me; if it's such a hodgepodge, then why release it as 9/1/74 at all? Why not just tell us what it is (or admit that they don't know)? Any idea how this all came to be? What sorts of reels were they working with? I just don't understand the need to be so mysterious unless the tapes themselves were mysterious to begin with.

  7. Fate Music Avatar

    I don't have any idea.

    A time or two on the blog I have urged The Powers That Be to take the jazz approach and pin every scrap of tape in terms of time, space, social context, equipment, etc. etc. I picked the nit that the 3/22/78 release had a picture from 11/26/77 (or 11/23, anyway), without mention. Why do that?

  8. Corry342 Avatar

    I have always wondered about this subject, too, although mainly in the context of Relix Records. So many of their releases had remarkably faulty information on the cover and label that I decided there had to be a reason.

    The only reason I can come up with is money. There is some perceived advantage to stating that a recording has a certain provenance, because some sort of rights can be assigned to it. In some cases (not Relix), it may be that the tape was assembled and "dated," so there must have been an incentive not to check the history to carefully

    Other hypotheses welcome, but I can't think of one. It's too much work to go to if there's no reward.

  9. Nick Avatar

    Wow. Thank you for sharing this! So great to have this finally cleared up. But, um, *8* of the 19 tracks are from 9/1? Ooookay.

  10. Fate Music Avatar

    Are there fees that have to be paid to venues? Like, 8/28/74 is the Great American Music Hall, which is still in operation. But, as ever, cui bono? strikes me as the right question.

  11. Fate Music Avatar

    Can someone remind me on which tracks the trumpeter appears?

  12. runonguinness Avatar

    All the 74-8-28 tracks, d1t1 Neighbour and d2t5-d3t5 Emotion->Jam

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